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#1 MCPROTEUS

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Posted 04 May 2009 - 09:38 AM

I have some questions about Anti-Virus, anti-Spyware general Anti-Malware software
Hello SWI Security people
The reason I am at this forum today is because a very nice guy who works for best buy Geek Squad told me this is a very good site for Malware, Spyware and Virus discussion. He also said that this forum is good as well www.wilderssecurity.com

Now that I am talking about this right now does anyone know any other forums and sites that are just as good as this ne? If anyone could tell me that would be great I would like to add them to my bookmarked list. Ok moving on....

I have been doing my best to learn as much as I can about the dark side of the internet these days. I want to become a Malware Spyware Pro. I am even thinking about going to school for it. But anyways here is what I want to say and what I am hoping someone / anyone can help me with...

I would like to know if I have all the best tools and if I am doing the right thing to protect and clean and prevent infections on my computers ... Well mostly THIS computer.

This is my new baby here are the specs
dELL xps xps_430
S.2 Windows Experience Index
Intel Core ™ 2 Quad CPU Q8300
@2.50 GHz 2.49 GHz
MEMORY (RAM) 6.00 GB
SYSTEM TYPE 64-BIT OPERATING SYSTEM


I have lovingly names this machine " ED 209 " : )

Ok so THIS is what I have right now to protect my PC
I have ....

1. Avira Ant-Virus Free
2. Spyware Doctor
3. Malwarebytes Antimalware
4. A-Squared ( Free Version )
5. CCleaner
( not a scanner but a cleaner

but I might as well mention it )
6. I was told to also add " Free Panda root kit scanner " to my list of active tools but I have not been able to find that program that works with Vista .. If anyone knows if there is a Vista compatible version of that software please let me know

Ok so that is what I use all the time. I am pretty much always running a full scan or a intelliscan with Spyware Doctor. I scan with Avira all the time. I was told that MalwareBytes Antimalware and A-Squared are good to " supplement " or ... ust good extra's after using Spyware Doctor. I was going to also add a program called " SUPERantispyware " to that list but the thing that is making me hesitate on doing that is because the Geek Squad people have no idea what that is and most of them never heard of the program. Geek Squad also convinced me to NOT use Registry Mechanic EVER! They talked about it like it was AIDS or something. They said it causes more problems then it fixes. I
currently have Registry Mechanic and SUPERantispyware on my other two PC's but neither are on my Baby ED 2009 here.

Ok like I said I do scans all the time with it. If I come across a folder filled with files and one of those files contain a .exe file I do a scan with Avira on the folder and I should maybe also do a scan with A-Squared because I noticed that if you ight click on something there is a option to scan with A-Squared. And this part I think is really cool. I was told about two b]FREE ONLINE VIRUS AND MALWARE SCANNERS[/b] they are http://www.virustotal.com and http://virusscan.jotti.org/

Someone said if you are ever unsure about any .exe file load them up and scan them on those two sites. He said it will run them through like 20 Malware Scanners and it it says it's clean there is a 99.99 percent chance that that is correct and it IS clean ! I find this kind of exciteing...

Ok and this gets even better. One of the Geek Squad people was nice enought to tell me ALL the programs they use to can and clean a PC when they are paid to come to someones houe and clean their computer this is the list including the inks to the sites

PROGRAMS TO BUY IF PC IS EVER INFECTED !!!!

1. Kaspersky anti-virus removal tool http://www.kaspersky.com/removaltools

2. Panda Anti-Virus http://www.pandasecu...com/canada-eng/

3. McAfee Virus Scan http://www.mcafee.com/us/

4. Trend Micro Virus Scan http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

5. Webroot System Analyzer http://www.bleepingc...m/forums/topic1 47098.html

6. Spyware Doctor http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/

7. A-Squared ( a paid version ) http://www.emsisoft..../software/free/

Now the Geek Squad guy said SO NOT buy those programs JUST to have them and scan your PC here and there. He said just use the list og tools that you already have. BUT .... IF your PC ever gets infected with something THEN wipe out the Credit Card and buy all those programs and Scan the heck out of your PC to get rid of the Malware. Because that will be HELL of a lot cheaper then paying Geek Squad to come and clean it for you....

Ok so now my question to you SWI people is? Does this sound pretty good to you? Are there any other programs I should be using? I am sort of addicted to scanning my PC's these days and I even find it a little fun to be honest so any other ideas or software please throw my way ! Doe's everyone like my list of Tools? Am I rocking or what? I tried to ask his question on some other forum but I think I have pretty bad OCD and ADD and I am not a good listener or reader. Because it was some forums that has like free volunteers of people who try and get rid of malware on peoples PC's by giving them instructions and the site had a huge list of its own personal scanners it uses and the one guy was like " There s spyware and infections you can get and not be able to detect or get rid of even with all your apps. Please go to this thread read 10,000 lines of text and run your computer through all OUR weird scanners and get a ticket and someone one ...blah blah blah ..ect ect .... Know what I mean? Does anyone know what forum I am talking about? Ok so I put a lot of work in this thread. Someone out there HELP ME! Upgrade my brain security people !!

Basically if I run scans with all my current tools and I scan .exe files with Avira and A-Squared AND I upload the .exe to both of those online scanners should my system stay clean and healthy?

Thank You very much for reading and I look forward to some nice replies I hope !
Aaron aka PROTEUS

Edited by MCPROTEUS, 04 May 2009 - 12:07 PM.
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 10:10 AM

Howdy,

I moved your topic to a more appropriate forum -- Malware Removal is for people who need help removing malware...

Your post is very difficult to read -- it appears that you wrote it in Notepad or some other program, then pasted it here... Please adjust the formatting if you do that so that it works in this forum...

Please remove your signature links -- we do not know you and they appear to be suspiciously like self advertising... If you were someone we knew and had reason to trust, it would be a different situation...

The programs you are suggesting are fine... I would not rely on Geek Squad as an informed reference for this since we have helped various Geek Squad people deal with malware issues over the years... One of our advanced helpers worked for them for some time and was not very impressed with their knowledge of malware issues...

I don't see the need for a resident rootkit scanner unless you are engaged in dangerous/risky behavior a lot of the time... If you are, you are better off changing the behavior than using a rootkit scanner... There are some infections that will trash your system so that the only real choice left is to wipe/reinstall...

We do not recommend that people clean their computers on their own once they are infected since the tools will not always be effective... However, it can be helpful to run the tools initially and to use resident protection to prevent infection... Read the FAQ and article linked at the top of each page for more ideas...

I don't know if I answered all of your questions since your post is laid out in a way that makes it hard to find them... Please use Add Reply to post back if I missed anything...
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 10:31 AM

Hi Budfred

I removed the links in my sig and I tried to fix the way the text appears in the post but I could not. I tried pasting it into openoffice word doc and tried to play with alignment or whatever but that did not work. I tired to fix it in notepad as well but that did not work either if someone can tell me exactly how to fix the problem I will do that.

Wow you just scared the heck out of me when you said " wipe / reinstall " I think I will back up all my data and learn how to ghost my OS A.S.A.P.

I can tell you this I engage in absolutely no risky behavior on my new PC " ED 209 " I have a computer in my bedroom for that. I do burn folders to DVDR and if they contain a .exe I scan them with Avira and from now on I think I will scan them with a up to date Avira and Free A-Squared and THEN upload them to those two online virus scanner sites...

Would that still be " Risky Behavior " ? I have no p2p applications on this PC and I never go to torrent sites or pornography sites or anything of the sort on this particular machine...

Like I said I scan it constantly with all those programs and I might add that SUPERantispyware program if I get enough smart people telling me that it's ok.....

I am just looking to protect myself and guard this PC as much as humanly possible

Aaron
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 11:03 AM

You are probably very safe on that computer given your description of your habits... I don't make nearly that much effort and I visit some scary sites in the course of my work in security... I do use Firefox with NoScripts to help maintain security and you may want to consider that option... NoScripts will allow you to choose which sites you allow to run a script on your computer and scripts are how a lot of infections are passed around today... I generally allow only trusted sites to run scripts, so I didn't allow the scripts to run on the 2 sites I visited from your links...

Your formatting is fine this time and your comments are much easier to read...

SuperAntiSpyware is a decent program... Given that you are already using MBAM and Spyware Doctor, I see no reason to add it... Also, be careful to NOT run the resident protection of MBAM and Spyware Doctor at the same time -- they can become less effective in protecting you if you do that... Run one to scan when you suspect a problem and use the resident protection of the other... Note that if you are running Vista, you probably already have the resident version of Windows Defender running and it is best not to use the resident protection of either of the others...

I just noticed your comment about Registry Mechanic... In general, Registry cleaners are risky, including CCleaner... If you wish to use one, it is a good idea to back up your Registry first and making an image of your install is an even better idea... The problem is that they are known to occasionally remove things that you need and that can make it difficult to even get back into your system at times...

If I missed anything, post back again with more questions...
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 11:46 AM

I have some questions about Anti-Virus, anti-Spyware general Anti-Malware software
Hello SWI Security people ..

I fixed the formatting of your post. In NotePad, you need to turn Word Wrap on in the Format menu.

Ok so now my question to you Wilder people is?

You're not at Wilder's. I gather that you have posted this in quite a few places.

Now that I am talking about this right now does anyone know any other forums and sites that are just as good as this ne? If anyone could tell me that would be great I would like to add them to my bookmarked list.

There is a list of good forums at Alliance of Security Analysis Professionals
http://www.geekstogo...rum/forums.html is another good one. All are free and run by volunteers.
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 12:22 PM

I have some questions about Anti-Virus, anti-Spyware general Anti-Malware software
Hello SWI Security people ..

I fixed the formatting of your post. In NotePad, you need to turn Word Wrap on in the Format menu.

Ok so now my question to you Wilder people is?

You're not at Wilder's. I gather that you have posted this in quite a few places.

Now that I am talking about this right now does anyone know any other forums and sites that are just as good as this ne? If anyone could tell me that would be great I would like to add them to my bookmarked list.

There is a list of good forums at Alliance of Security Analysis Professionals
http://www.geekstogo...rum/forums.html is another good one. All are free and run by volunteers.


thank you for fixing my post. I was trying to undo the word wrap thing in notepad but it was not working for me : (

I changed what I said to " SWI " so I don't confuse anyone. Sorry about that and thanks for pointing that out.....

here is a dumb question this link here http://asap.maddoktor2.com/ you are refering to the " ASAP Members " liste on the left correct? Do everyone of those sites have a forum? That's awesome this should keep me busy for the next 10 years. Thank you !!
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 12:30 PM

There are some infections that will trash your system so that the only real choice left is to wipe/reinstall...


Hi there Budfred

Well you scared the crap out of me so I called a nice local computer company that recently helped out my Mother's little old computer. I asked him if he could come over and " GHOST " or whatever you call it. All my PC's and if he could teach me how to do thre Ghost image thing a ma jig so I can do it every 4 months or so. I guess I will do that coupled with a data back up and keep one copy in the house and another in my safety deposit box. I am sort of a computer guy but I have no idea how to use that Symantec Ghost software or whatever you call it...

Thanks for the warnings ! If you got any other back up advice please let it blast

Aaron
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 12:31 PM

Yes, just click on a name in the list. Those are all links to forums. Some forums are in foreign languages, and a few links may be obsolete or broken.
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 01:42 PM

here is a dumb question this link here http://asap.maddoktor2.com/ you are refering to the " ASAP Members " liste on the left correct? Do everyone of those sites have a forum? That's awesome this should keep me busy for the next 10 years. Thank you !!

Please note that if you post this same message in each of those forums, you will likely end up banned from several of them, possibly all of them... We have connections with each other and most are not comfortable with the links you want to put in your signature or people posting the same messages in each forum... Also, it is a good idea to become familiar with the forum before you simply start posting... Read the FAQ and make sure you are posting in the proper subforum...

There are several programs that will allow you to image your system, Symantec Ghost is only one of them... There is also the option of running in a Virtual Machine (VM) for online use which provides another layer of protection... If the VM is infected, you simply delete it and start over... There are descriptions of how to do this in a number of places on the web...
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 09:40 PM

Don't worry I will not post the same message in multiple forums and I will take your advice and not put any links in my signature. I will also try and read the FAQ'S before I post as well.

What is your favorite imaging software? What should I use to image my machines? Also could you give me some links that explain how to run a virtual machine? That sounds like a good idea...

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Posted 04 May 2009 - 10:06 PM

Google is your friend... Search for imaging software and you will find out what the options are... I don't have one currently, but I am planning to get Perfect Image from Avanquest because it is on sale at Micro Center for $10 after a rebate... I also know about Ghost and Acronis, but there are probably others...

I also suggest using Google to find out about using a VM... Like I said, there are a lot of guides out there and I believe MS is still offering their VM for free...
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 12:29 PM

Hi Guys

I went to Toronto to College And Spadina to buy some DVDR's and stuff and I met a guy who said the

best defense against losing your computer to Viruses, Maleware or Hard Drive failer is to Image your

drive. The guy said that " Acronis True Image " is his favorite and thinks it's the best.

He also said that a good Virtualization software is the way to go as well. He suggested a program called

" VMware " I think he said you could use this program to take " Snapshots " or your Operating System ( Or something like that )

Could someone please explain this to me more? How does Imaging software work and how does Virtualization Software work? How much is it and where do I purchase it? Are there free Imaging and Virtualization software?

Aaron
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 12:36 PM

Ask-Leo has an easy to understand article about VM.

VMware is similar to the Parallels Workstation he discusses.
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Posted 12 May 2009 - 12:48 PM

cool ! I bookmarked it. I just made a folder for Virtual Machines and Imaging. Is that the correct and most used term for that " Virtual Machines " ? Because I don't even think Virtualization is a real word.

I might ask for help doing this stuff to all three of my machines. I know a local " Geek on Wheels " type person...

I would be afraid to do this stuff myself. But I will try and do some reading about this

thanks for the link !

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 03:12 PM

Hi Guys

I went to Toronto to College And Spadina to buy some DVDR's and stuff and I met a guy who said the

best defense against losing your computer to Viruses, Maleware or Hard Drive failer is to Image your

drive. The guy said that " Acronis True Image " is his favorite and thinks it's the best.

He also said that a good Virtualization software is the way to go as well. He suggested a program called

" VMware " I think he said you could use this program to take " Snapshots " or your Operating System ( Or something like that )

Could someone please explain this to me more? How does Imaging software work and how does Virtualization Software work? How much is it and where do I purchase it? Are there free Imaging and Virtualization software?

Aaron

Did you happen to notice that this is what we have been saying for a while here??

As far as using this approach, I suggest doing an image first and then start messing around with the VM program... If you have a good image completed, even if you mess something up, you can easily replace it with the saved image... If you have a good image to work from and update it periodically, you can safely experiment with programs since it is easy to restore a clean image when needed... Many of our Developers use imaging and a VM to check out malware since they don't want their computers becoming infested as they work to kill the infections...

And "virtualization" is now a real word... It may not have been in the past, but computers are changing the language...
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Posted 24 May 2009 - 09:57 AM

Now that I am talking about this right now does anyone know any other forums and sites that are just as good as this ne? If anyone could tell me that would be great I would like to add them to my bookmarked list.


I know I'm a bit late on this one, but BleepingComputer has fantastic forums as well :)
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