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#1 rockingcricket2

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 12:27 AM

I've recently installed a few different keyloggers onto my computer to monitor my childrens internet activity. In doing so I've infected my machine with a LOT of spyware - Ewido uncovered some 102,000 troublesome files!! I'm currently working through this in the other forum.
I'm still in need of a keylogger but obviously don't want to reinfect.

Can somebody tell me if either of these are safe or not?

hxxp://dw.com.com/redir?pid=10463859&m...4-10463859.html

hxxp://dw.com.com/redir?pid=10440588&m...4-10440588.html

Many thanks in advance.

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Edited by Budfred, 28 August 2006 - 05:49 AM.


#2 Budfred

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 05:47 AM

That is like asking if a particular virus that would disrupt your child's ability to use MySpace is safe... NO!! There are commercial products that you can purchase in a store that might not infect your computer, but I wouldn't trust even them... Keyloggers are designed to be pests to spy on someone and it is a small step from helping you spy on your children to using it to spy on you...

If you don't trust your children on the computer, install it in the busiest room in the house and use a parental control program... Don't risk your computer and your financial well being by running keyloggers... Talking to them about your concerns might be a good idea too...

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#3 rockingcricket2

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 12:33 PM

Instead of a massive generalisation I would've prefered an answer specific to my question, but thankyou anyway.

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 06:14 PM

Instead of a massive generalisation I would've prefered an answer specific to my question, but thankyou anyway.

I understand you may be frustrated that we are not giving you specific advice about programs to spy on your children... However, I am not aware of any malware fighter who has checked keyloggers for safety since they can all be abused... In fact, we have no way to know if you really just want to spy on your children or if you are actually looking for something to help you spy on a competing business or an ex-romantic interest... If you want to risk it, that is your choice, but don't expect us to help you with it...
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Posted 28 August 2006 - 08:20 PM

I am surprised at your tone and implication.

Obviously a keylogger is a form of spyware, but a family keylogger is not the malicious spyware that this forum aims to prevent.

My kids like to use myspace and as far as I'm aware there are not any parental control programs which work in conjunction with it. If you know of any I'd be greatful to learn of them.

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 08:31 PM

Actually I think Budfred's tone was quite proper.....he firmly told you that keyloggers are not friendly, and we're not in the business of helping people GET malware on their machines. This is the wrong forum for you to be asking for that kind of information in.

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 08:48 PM

As I said earlier:

If you don't trust your children on the computer, install it in the busiest room in the house


If your kids are computer savvy, they will work their way around any parental controls or other programs you put in place... However, they can't work around a parent and other family members hanging over their shoulders...

As far as my tone and implication are concerned... We have no way to know if you are really a parent asking for help other than your statement to that effect... We have dealt with people before who want help with illegal activities who claim to want it for parental controls (or gets getting around parental controls)...
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#8 rockingcricket2

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 09:09 PM

Well I'll try my luck with the loggers I asked about. If I get reinfected I know where to come. There are some members here who are helpful afterall.

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 09:20 PM

Well I'll try my luck with the loggers I asked about. If I get reinfected I know where to come. There are some members here who are helpful afterall.

And some members who are not rude to the people who are trying to help and who don't take unneeded risks...
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Posted 29 August 2006 - 12:09 AM

Greetings rockingcricket2

I am surprised at your tone and implication.

On the contrary, many security sites would have replied with a perfunctory message telling you that your post was inappropriate and your topic would have been closed.

Obviously a keylogger is a form of spyware, but a family keylogger is not the malicious spyware that this forum aims to prevent.

I think you would have to agree that I am in a better postion to say what this forum is about and it is not about dispensing advice on spyware applications no matter what the intended purpose is.

We are all volunters that give our time and advice freely. You may of course excercise the right to disregard our advice but posting disparaging remarks just because you disagree with it is unfair and uncalled for.

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Posted 29 August 2006 - 09:39 AM

Hi rockingcricket2,

So I assume this is your main problem and that's why you want a keylogger?

My kids like to use myspace and as far as I'm aware there are not any parental control programs which work in conjunction with it


Well, as budfred already said.. MySpace is not safe and I do not recommend it to anyone. You may also want to read these blogs:
http://blogs.chron.c...ce_malware.html
http://blog.washingt...ware_to_mo.html

and latest news: MySpace users hit by hacker virus

Why blocking MySpace.com:

1. It contains suggestive and pornographic images
2. It allows for the easy posting of way too much personal information
3. It is a context for dating and personal ads
4. It can be and has been used to exploit children and teenagers.


I don't really see why you need a keylogger to spy on your kids while visiting MySpace... because that doesn't really make sense. You are only keylogging, that's all. You are not preventing anything with that. Also, keep in mind, when you install certain keylogging programs, your antivirus will target it and most probably delete the related components as well.

The best advise I can give you here is -- tell your kids not to use MySpace, because malware is lurking there -- and is already spying on you!
Hundreds of hijackthislogs are already posted here because they got infected through MySpace. So you don't need to spy on your kids, you need to block the MySpace site so they can't use it anymore.
You may also take a look here how to block MySpace:
http://www.softwaret...yspace-com.html
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Posted 29 August 2006 - 09:48 PM

I think this is one of the more disturbing posts I've seen here or anywhere, for that matter. Its not the technical aspect, but the social that bothers me. Per usual, the mods treated it in a courteous manner (but that didn't keep the original poster from taking offense).

However I have to wonder to myself if he/she has given any consideration to just what kind of citizen he/she is raising in a climate of suspicion, milieu of paranoia and obcession, such that accrues when suddenly it becomes permissible to surveille their children? How could this be called "care"?

Hate me if you must, but I had to ask.

In regard of MySpace, I have to confess, when I presented the news of its being "hacked" in another forum (not security-related) and as a public service, it was met by denial and incredulity. When it was confirmed by (some) other members of that forum, just silence -- as though it would somehow go away or not even exist if attention was turned away.

so, I dunno....
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Posted 11 September 2006 - 06:07 AM

I am not going to comment on your decisions as to what you do while parenting, because frankly that is none of my business.

However, I will comment on your attitude towards malware and this site:

Well I'll try my luck with the loggers I asked about. If I get reinfected I know where to come. There are some members here who are helpful afterall.


Translation:

I'm going to willingly install malware that some of you have explicitly suggested I not install, and, if it goes badly, I'll just come back and you'll fix it for me. Oh, and you're all ----- for not telling me how to "safely" install malware.


That takes some serious gall. You are very lucky you came to SWI, I don't know of another site that would tolerate such an attitude. You came here to get your computer cleaned of malware free of charge, and now you are spitting in your helpers' faces in a number of ways.

Edited for obscene comment... This is a family forum...

Edited by Budfred, 11 September 2006 - 07:18 AM.





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